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Fri, 10 Dec 2004
2004 Workshop Feedback
The workshop has been a unique experience for me.
I have never before been part of a group this large (24 people, none of
whom I had met before), and felt comfortable enough with them within just
a few hours to bring up almost any issue, however personal.
I experienced a feeling of trust and confidence that I have the support of
the group to help resolve my issues - whatever they may be. I recall
having many issues to bring up when I took the Hot Seat on Saturday night,
and wish there was time to bring up more of them than just the one I had
Over the last year - mainly through reading the FAQ on Ed’s site, and
now after participating in the workshop - I have developed immense
confidence in the power of TTP as a means to help me realize what I
believe I am capable of. I was eager to experience the Process in Ed’s
presence, and under his guidance. I am glad that happened, though I wish
there had been more of it!
I have recently begun to experience a significant improvement in the
quality of some of the most important relationships in my life.
I think that has a lot to do with my involvement with Ed’s work, and my
participation in the workshop.
Fri, 10 Dec 2004
I am reading Your page about risk management http://www.seykota.com/
and I have one unclearness.
You wrote that if I have $1,000 and I bet [just $10 of it at 2:1 - and if
I win I then wind up with a total of] $1020.
But I think You
not right. If I have $1000 and if I bet $10, I do not get $1020 but only
Because start is
1000 bet 10 I have 990 if I win I get 20 and my pocket is 1010.
What is wrong?
Thank You for Your answer.
the example, you are a visitor to a casino.
such, you have to put down $10, before the play, to demonstrate your
ability to pay if you lose.
$10 is not a commission, so you get it back if you win.
case you lose, the house simply picks up your bet to satisfy the
case you win, you collect $20 from the house, and you may also reclaim
your bet - or let it ride for another round.
$10 bet on the table
you can satisfy a claim.
Thu, 9 Dec 2004
Give it All I
I had another amazing hot seat session last night. I took my feeling of
dejection into the process. I noticed this feeling when my automated
trading strategy suffered the fourth day of losses, and then I got whipped
on my discretionary trading, and finally either forgetting or just deviating
from my mechanical strategy and now my actual result is far behind the
theoretical result. As I see all these, I feel worthless. I realize my
sense of self-worth is actually tied to whether it is a positive or
I thought I had already come to terms with "losing is part of the
game." I thought I knew very well that it was utterly impossible to
have good day everyday. But anyhow, knowing is one thing, what I'm
actually feeling is another. "Forgetting" to run my mechanical
strategy and then miss the subsequent profit is just a drama Fred set up
for me. Frankly I'm hesitant and I don't even think I truly believe in the
strategy. Intention = Results; intention = results, I think it shows
OK, I took the hot seat last night, and my intention was to revisit my
dejected feeling when I saw my negative P&L, and find its positive
intention. After all, I've been creating drama in my trading to
experience it, I believe there is a message there for me, and I may as
well find it out from the hot seat instead of from the market.
I have similar feelings as previous sessions. I have a warm buzz in my
head; I breathe faster and deeper to the point of choking. The only thing
new this time is I find myself rubbing my forearm on my leg to the point
where it burns and hurts. However, I feel determined to get right at where
it hurts, and with the encouragement of the receivers, I rub it even more.
Then I turn to pounding my chest. That's what I did in my last hot seat
too. But this time I go much further. I keep pounding my left chest with
my right fist, then when I get tired I pound my right chest with my left.
I am counting and I say to myself, "I'll do it till I get
100." By the time I get to 80, my arm gets tired. But then with
the receivers urging me to go deeper and further, I hang on enough to get
to 100, and switch to another arm. Again, the goal is 100, and again, I
get tired when I get to 80 or so, but I hang on enough to make it 100.
While the repeated chest-pounding may seem pointless, looking back, I can
absolutely see how I crave for this feeling.
I've brought up
to my tribe my problems with commitment, with sticking to things, and perseverance
is something I highly value. I always have that image for a determined
man, refusing to back down, and by sheer will he creates an unstoppable
force that just knives through any opposition as if they're just some kind
of soft tofu. And that is precisely the feeling I am getting at when I am
on the hot seat.
As that feeling develops, instead of pounding the chest 100 times and
switch, it turns itself to how many times I can pound my chest without
switching. And in my mind it is as if the number of times I pound my chest
will be the number of years my fiancée and I can live, or how much I can
make, in thousands of dollars. This time when I get to 80, my goal is 200.
And when I get to 200, I just keep going, and going, and going, and
Many times I think of quitting, but my fellow tribe members just keep
encouraging me. They tell me this is the feeling I've been wanting to feel
for a long time (how true!!), and that it is my moment now. Every time I
think of quitting, I notice I still have a little juice left, and I just
keep going. I thought, "I can't just quit now when I still have some
Talk about a breakthrough! Where 100 used to be the limit I can get to
(and can only achieve that level if I muster up all my energy to stick
through the last 20), this time I am going 500, 1000, 1500, gosh I even
lose count. That's a great lesson for me!!
I get to
unbelievable levels beyond my wildest imagination, and the irony is, I
always feel I can go a little bit more. When I thought I'm down to my
last 100, I set that as a target and gather up the strength to get through
it. Then once I get through that, I feel that I can get another 100. And I
just keep going.
I am not cheating at all. I am taking all the pounding on my chest. I feel
that I am actually standing up to that pounding (instead of backing down).
My receivers asked me to experience the feelings fully. I can feel that I
am sweating and tired, but the real feeling is a determination soul, and
it feels so good.
My legs start to move. Even though I'm still sitting on the hot seat, they
just keep moving, along with the pounding. I don't know how many
pounding I've taken, but when it is all over, I take a moment to get
back to the consciousness, and go over with my receivers about the
experience. It is then that the Aha moment comes. As I am speaking, I have
that picture again, that same feeling last time I had on the hot seat
(FAQ, Nov 22). It is the feeling that one has after a marathon, victorious
with arms raised up high.
absolutely exhausted, looking back the path he has just gone through, he
can't help stop the tears of joy rolling down (and I can't help it
rolling as I was sharing it with my receivers, and even as I'm writing
this down now), because he knows very well that he has left everything he
has out there, and it's all worthwhile. He can leave with no regret.
And I think that's really the snapshot image of my dream. That's my
deepest held value. That's what I REALLY want!! I want the feeling of
giving my very best effort. Give it all I can.
This experience also strengthens my desire to go back to my birth with Dr.
Grof's work. You mention about how Caesarian babies having lower
proclivity to [completing] things. It seems to me that deep inside me I am
craving for some kind of struggle, and then do everything I can to finally
come out on top.
I slept so well that when the alarm rang this morning, I couldn't even
remember I turned it off as I just fell right back to sleep. I remember in
the middle of the night I felt some warm buzz over my body, and I just
enjoyed that feeling. I don't know what it is.
This is a very adventurous journey to find my true self. I thought I am
"normal", never have a history of hitting or harming myself, and
certainly not a big fan of self-inflicted pain.
I think there is some kind of message in it. Ha ha, the only thing is I
don't know how to explain it to my fiancée. When she saw my chests all
red and swollen and my right forearm obviously red and burned, she was
very worried. Hmmm, I don't even know where to begin ...
Thank you Ed, as always!!
is the essential Tribe.
way to begin explaining the process to your fiancée is to share your
feelings with her.
this is uncomfortable for you, you might consider taking your feelings of
discomfort to your Tribe.
best time to master the art
sharing your feelings with your fiancée
while she is still your fiancée.
Thu, 9 Dec 2004
Intentions = Results
[Name] and I are doing great here in [City]. With the support of
TTP, our fund management business seems to be breaking out to new highs.
I thank you for receiving others, encouraging others to receive
and offering and engendering support.
Here are a few pix from our new office - which serves the [City] Tribe as
new meeting place for the first time this week. You might notice the
meditation cushion - which tribe members seem to like to use as the hot
office relies on good equipment. I am glad yours includes a hot
standard office furniture
a safe place
you to encourage each other
develop your forms.
Thu, 09 Dec 2004
Dear Mr. Seykota,
please allow me to introduce myself ... I`m the publisher of [Publication]
I would like to talk with you ... about an interview for a German magazine
and some other things.
Can you please eMail me your phone number?
Thank you very much in advance.
With best wishes,
können mir Ihre Fragen hier, an HGF (Häufig Gestellte Fragen) schicken.
may send your questions to me here, at FAQ.)
Wed, 8 Dec 2004
I provided you with my thoughts for my research project. Have you had a
chance to read it, and do you have feedback for me?
Incline Village Trading Tribe Research Team works as a Tribe. I do
not supervise individual projects.
Mon, 6 Dec 2004
Hope you are doing well. I would be remiss if I delay this message any
further. I have been meaning to send this earlier, but, was taken aback a
bit when you said you would replying to the E-mails through postings in
the FAQ. I do hope this stays confidential.
I would like to say a big "Thank You" for patiently sitting with
me and talking through various things - including helping me on the
hot-seat. I do mean it when I said you are my role-model notwithstanding
anything else that you or others may perceive as drawbacks. I see you not
just as a genius but as an honest and helping individual at heart.
Hopefully I will evolve in life to share similar values that you have -
for I believe it is that value-system that made you a genius. This is
based on my belief that genius is a matter of choice - of questioning
everything and "attempting" to find answers. Meeting you had
been an eye-opener and caused some profound shifts in the way I look at my
life - this despite my "apparent" lack of feeling-the-feelings
on hot-seat. I thank the destiny for having created an opportunity to meet
you. And, I do hope to meet with you again and again to draw my sustenance
in thinking. May you and your values live forever.
things, can I attend Incline Village tribe meeting once a month? Just
wanted to make sure that you are okay with my attending some meetings,
but, not others. I also got E-mail from [Name] indicating that he will get
me started on the research project.
hesitation to let go on the hot seat, your hope for communication with me
to remain confidential and your desire to attend Tribe meetings
intermittently may all indicate you might not like feelings of
might consider taking these judgments to your tribe.
your Tribe leader is unable to help you develop the associating forms, he
might have similar issues.
out in the open can have great rewards.
Out in the Open
Here, he hits a
few shag balls off the heli-deck of the Burj Al Arab hotel (world's
tallest) in Dubai, UAE. Mr. Woods receives $1 million for appearing in
Dubai for the Desert Classic, March 2, 2004.
Mon, 6 Dec 2004
The real problem is not to control emotion, but to control the choices of
which tendency shall receive emotional reinforcement ... fear, anger,
you already have what you want, you do not have a problem.
problem is a difference between your desire and your perception of what
you have - neither of which appears in your description.
might like to take your feelings of trying to control feelings and choices
to a Tribe meeting.
TV Remote Control
like to sit and watch
illusion that they are in control.
Sat, 4 Dec 2004
You don't know me from Adam, but after reading up to the section on you in
Covel's text, I thought I'd visit the site. Like most geeks, I sought out
the radial momentum portion first. It's weird, but from a little kid from
Arizona, I noticed very similar effects in swimming pools at the water
outlets, but never connected it to the 'principle'. Given my financial
savvy, I missed some other connections along the was as well.
In similar fashion and after reading your section in Covel, I had a
flashback to around 1985 when a group of [Company] engineers I would lunch
with took our daily walk to [Restaurant]. During that period of time, many
of us were working on adaptive algorithms to control high precision
motion, fluidic and chemical processes in the semiconductor industry. I
distinctly recall many discussions about applying some of my work to the
I also recall
having my peers laugh their [body parts] off at my ideas. One guy wanted
to apply high speed image capturing hardware and our adaptive control
system work to real-time prediction of video broadcast lottery events.
That guy never got my concept either ... another guy looking for a quick
payoff. For what it's worth, none of the work was 'predictive' in nature.
The work focused on parametric adjustments for optimization of processes.
Anyway, one of those guys was [Name]. He went on to become a pHd of
something, (probably Mech Eng.) and runs [Enterprise]. He, his wife
... and my wife at the time had a band for awhile .... Their music always
sounded like Shar-days (sic) to me. If anyone would be open to some new
ideas on the subject, he certainly would and he has the facility and staff
to play your ideas out to completion. Also, he might have some insight
into this section of science and be able to reflect on it with you.
As for trending, I just started looking into it a month ago and already
want cash out, go to work for a luminary at a bargain price, and learn
something new. If I could figure out how to move into such a position
after 20 years in electrical engineering and no market experience, I'd
hop all over it.
Thanks for your contribution.
might like to take a Tribal look at what is standing between you and
"hopping all over it."
might be more fun
Sat, 4 Dec 2004
Dear Mr. Seykota,
Here is an executable program containing a six pointed star for you. My
teacher for Computer Class at school wants me (along with the rest of the
class) to create a star in Paint Shop Pro. My mother and I go to London
tomorrow, therefore I do not have access to Paint Shop Pro. My father and
I decide to create this star in Visual C++.net instead of in Paint Shop
Pro. I am hoping the teacher will be blown away by the fact of a 14 year
old student in the ninth grade programming in Visual C++. Do you like it?
I certainly hope so.
Nice Job !
Nice Job !
Nice Job !
Sun, 5 Dec 2004
Dear Mr. Seykota,
I would like to know more about starting a community in Marbella, Spain.
the Tribe Directory for instructions.
Mon, 6 Dec 2004
Just a brief note to let you know that your [City] Trading Tribe will be
giving birth on Monday 13th at 2pm.
Not sure if mother Tribe has been pregnant ... before, but we are
guaranteed triplets for our first birth ... we are planning for a natural
birth rather than a Caesar .
Three boys expected, however, lets hope they don't behave as such.
We plan to behave as a tribe and will get back to you with some feedback
you hope your boys don't behave as boys, Fred may have some interesting
adventures in store for you.
a Natural Tribe
peasant in the eighteenth century has 27 pregnancies - 16 pairs of twins,
7 sets of triplets and four sets of quadruplets for a total if 69 kids.
Sat, 4 Dec 2004
With your permission I am starting a TTP tribe in Lincoln Park, Michigan,
Am tired of doing it myself. Looking for others interested in the TTP
appear on the Directory Page.
your emotional container
be easier with the right tool.
Fri, 3 Dec 2004
just want to report that my Tribe now has a new member. Now we stand as
four committed tribesmen.
I am feeling
peaceful and tired for meeting last night finished today around 12: 30 am.
We are working hard to go through numerous judges and knots, we feel
relived, peaceful and tired afterwards.
I mention that
in two weeks I am in IV and people say "we don't want to miss the
meeting and they ask for rescheduling."
We agree to do
it on the day I come back. They leave and all becomes an AHA, I go to
sleep and my brain keeps on going on.
I am excited
about helping others, I can help and I am helping others. It feels good.
Thank you again and have a great day.
Fri, 3 Dec 2004
Earlier this year, you advised that you were writing a book and that you
expected to complete it this year. How is that project coming along, and
when might this book become available for purchase?
am currently working on the 4-th revision of the book.
Fri, 3 Dec 2004
Instructions regarding your email address on the FAQ page will indeed
avoid your spam filter... because the mail may never get sent. The exact
form you recommend:
does not conform to the RFC#822 protocol which governs email addressing:
Here is a canonical form, used to send this email:
Nest the email address within the angle brackets when the address is
accompanied by other text. Quotation marks are required if your
accompanying text contains a comma or other punctuation marks.
A celebrity is one who is known to many persons he is glad he doesn't
know. [H.L. Mencken]
You for the catch.
Thu, 2 Dec 2004
My current issue, and it seems I always have some to work through, has to
do with my professional goals. Last year I finished college and got a
Bachelor's degree of Law. To my very own surprise I must admit, as I
admittedly have always had a keen interest on technology and natural
then, which now do not exist, lead me to choosing the other way around.
Learning new things is always a pleasure to me and I do not regret about
the learning experience though.
Now, however, I feel divided about the whole thing. I have come to a
point where I have to commit to a career in order to be productive.
I have a lot of
opportunities in the juridical area, yet they demand commitment. And it
seems that time has come to know my true feelings about it. Yes,
commitment. I don't feel like committing to anything ... And I hate
having to decide about it.
I don't decide
and much of what I do lacks purpose, with a few exceptions: I like my
current job, I like my hometown where I live, I am beginning to learn
programming, I am preparing my system for real trading and I wish a
girlfriend. On the other hand I also like the prospect of financial
stability and better salaries that a public juridical career can offer ...
And so here I am again in the looping cycle ...
to get out of the loop is just part of what propels you around the loop.
positive intention of your loop is to get you to feel your feelings.
might try taking your feelings about your loop and about commitment to
get a feeling
Thu, 2 Dec 2004
Ed Says: If one person in a relationship dissolves
co-dependence, and the other does not, they tend to separate and find
People in relationships that commit to growth tend
to support each other through transitions - their relationships become
containers for passing AHA's.
I wrote you a few days ago about getting again into a love triangle drama.
This time, however, I made the firm decision to support my feelings and
the girl's involved ( I had no contact with the other guy ), about the
whole matter and about ourselves.
Today I read this answer to another FAQ contributor and it comes to my
mind how the girl has just found a new job and is moving from my
workplace. Fred (or whatever one might like to name it ) has interesting
and mysterious ways.
source for the drama is likely one of your independent forms seeking
girl moving away does not dis-solve the drama.
may soon re-appear in a different body and present opportunities to
re-solve the drama, over and over until you dis-solve it by integrating
not make it disappear.
desire to control it
Thu, 02 Dec 2004
I apply for
license as TTP practitioner.
this point, Tribes operate without licenses, without certification by The
Trading Tribe and at their own risk.
certification program for practitioners is in the works.
Thu, 2 Dec 2004
Falling into Place
I think I'm getting the hang of what you mean by saying to be careful for
what you wish for. It's the power of the mind, the thoughts and visions
one feeds upon that sets up given circumstances and gives the energy to
ask for whatever it is you want or do whatever needs to be done in order
to materialize those images (or not do things).
10 months ago I decided to stop lone-trading and start a fund manager
It was incredible to hear my boss say that he fully supports my idea of
managing accounts for company clients and that he is going to help me. The
director also supports me and other people do too.
After hours I
work along with a programmer to get a system testing platform running so I
could more or less present my methodology and the what-is-to-be-expected.
I wouldn't be saying this if I had not realized that this is exactly the
way I imagined things would turn out. All I really had to do was wait, the
rest was almost effortless.
This trend is on so I would like to take the opportunity and say that I
want to participate in the Incline Village market research to become a
better trader. I need some insights and support. I am willing to work on
issues so it would be an honor to somehow be part of the team.
the Directory page for requirements to participate in the Incline Village
Trading Tribe, that now includes a Research Team.
Thu, 2 Dec 2004
covers sometimes celebrate societal AHA's - and indicate consummation of
of the members of the Incline Village Trading Tribe Research Team is
preparing a comprehensive study of this phenomenon.
this case, the caterpillar cover provides a "contrary"
indication - the US Dollar thereafter strengthens against the Canadian
Dollar and some other currencies, at least for a couple weeks.
12 - Dec 21, 2004
Cover appears Dec 2
Wed 1 Dec 2004
I stumbled upon
your website today while researching for a project I'm working on. Your
experiments on lift are very interesting. I have a phenomenon that I am
looking to understand and I was hoping you could help. I've attached
a diagram that describes the situation. Some > background on the
project; the device is a nebulizer that takes liquid > drug and
atomizes it into an aerosol. As you can see from the > drawing, we use
similar geometry to your experimental setup.
engineering student working on a 4th year design project. The design is
for a medical company.
I am working on my senior project. I am attending the University of
Western Ontario in Canada. In the program here, design groups are paired
with industry to work on a design problem. There are some confidential
aspects to this project so I can't disclose too much information.
Here is the
1. At rest, the actuator is held by a spring-like part at its rest
position (shown in above diagram). The compressed air is not turned on at
2. When the actuator travels downward (shown by blue arrow) it seals
around the nozzle cover and allows the pressure drop created by the
orifice to pull liquid through the liquid channels and nebulizer it.
3. However, before the actuator is pressed downward a phenomenon occurs.
When the compressed air is turned on, the actuator is forced slightly down
(also shown in diagram).
I am trying to find out what is causing the actuator to be forced down.
This seems to be contradictory to your findings. You say that there is a
–P created as the air moves radially and this causes lift. It seems as
if I’m experiencing the opposite to this. I was looking at your
levitation plates and thought that the parallel plates might help as it
did not allow the air to move radially. What do you think?
am not clear, from your drawing, which pieces move together, which
channels carry fluids and what you know about pressures and flows at
might take your feelings about secrecy into your Tribe.
help apply a drug
to the lungs.
comparison with liquids or pills,
method offers faster relief
a lower dose.